I’m Sick of Vista Complaints
Anybody who buys an OS and expects it to be as stable as the last iteration is an idiot. I mean no personal attacks on anybody but it’s true, and I won’t be easy on anybody who thinks that. It’s the 21st century, there is no reason why people should expect such things.
Do you expect a game to ship without bugs?
What about your favorite MMO?
So why did you all expect Vista, on day one, to be so f-ing great? Who cares if Microsoft told you that it was, you were a sheep lured into a wolves den then. Game companies hype their games the same exact way. Anybody who knows anything about computers should know this. Hell, when Vista came out I held off on buying it for about 8 months because I knew that it was not going to run properly with every game or piece of hardware and you know what? I was right! Like every OS that preceded Vista it did not work with every game or piece of hardware. However, now, after a year it works great for my gaming PC.
Bottom line is that people expected Vista to be the “wonder OS” to save them from their computer troubles, which is perhaps Microsoft’s fault for hyping it too much. I’ll be straight about this 100%, there was no fucking way that every driver for every hardware/software/etc. was going to be available on Vista’s release. There were just damn many things for the Windows platform, which is actually part of the allure of the Windows-based system.
The whole sticker thing is a different issue altogether, and Microsoft should definitely feel some repercussions for it. That said, however, I am so sick of hearing people complain about Vista.
“Ohhh Vista won’t do this.”
“My Vista is so slow compared to XP.”
That’s the price of change and expansion! Sure XP was a stable OS, but it’s old. It had two SPs under it’s belt with numerous upgrades and fixes before that. It did not come out as the “wonder OS”, although Windows 2000, and ME definitely helped XP’s image. Vista, on the other hand, was offering something truly new to the Windows platform since Windows 95. It was birthed out of the legacy that XP built and when it wasn’t as fully functional on day one as XP was at four years people through temper tantrums, like bloody school children. Well guess what? Vista is better than XP, if for nothing else than the mere fact that it’s change and it’s different.
Truth be told, technology advances differently from most other things. When a new technology that is replacing something else comes out it is usually not as good as it’s predecessor. Actually sometimes it can seem downright horrid in comparison. What people don’t realize is that the predecessor is a base for the new technology, a goal for the designers to bring it up to that level. Usually this comes fairly quickly and then they are able to build upon it to make it even better, something that was impossible with the previous technology. XP was great, but, as a technological society, we could not use it forever. Vista is out now, and it will eventually become better. . .
Oh, and for those who are waiting for Microsoft’s rumoured 2009 OS to come out, I wouldn’t hold my breath. For one, that’s probably gonna get delayed by at least a year. Second, and this one is really my main point, the next OS will not be a “wonder” OS on release either. Expect it to ship with the same shitty bugs that Vista and XP were shipped with. . .
Welcome to the 21st century.
Thnak you! I am SO sick of all the whining. For the record, I have purchased 2 new systems in the last 6 months, both Vista & both are great.
Problems with my ISP were blamed on Vista when in fact they needed to replace a damaged fiberoptic line on my block. I bought a Netgear router & it was delivered damaged but they tried to blame it on Vista, incompatible drivers, etc.
For me at home & my entire company at work, Vista rocks & beats XP without question. Maybe upgrades are full of bugs but Vista on a new system is better than anything XP ever offered & I’m glad to say goodbye to an OS I never really liked anyway.
I\’m Sick of Vista Complaints | nerdd.net
Why does everybody hate Vista so much? Because they expected it to be as polished as XP upon release
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This really is a poor excuse of an article because it continues to validate poor engineering and false advertising. The question is why can’t we expect a $200 or $300 piece of software to deliver what it promises? Why become an advocate for crappy software?
It’s been my experience that people who write articles like these know very little about the technologies they are defending. Then there are those people who spend hundreds on a new OS, a thousand on new hardware, a few hundred more on new printers, scanners, cameras because the OS no longer support their older peripherals. After such an investment, these people defend their choices because they would look extremely stupid if they complained – having felt scammed.
What do you get in return? A slower and highly bloated system and an empty wallet so that you can run the SAME applications you were running before. This is called a forced upgrade. Users who continually fall for a company promising new venues and instead get a repacking of the same tools doesn’t speak well of their expertise.
And guess what? Microsoft is already working on their new operating system to replace Vista. This is Windows ME all over again with the ignorant defending their purchases and the company that abuses their customers.
Good luck trying to sell this train of thought. Even the newbies I work with daily aren’t falling for it.
I absolutely love how you call me ignorant yet you have absolutely no idea who I am. . .
In fact, you make so many assumptions about me in your post that I’d be almost damn sure you are watching me right now. If you were correct at all in your train of thought I’d be inclined to start locking my doors, but you aren’t.
It also doesn’t look like you even bothered to read my post.
Poor engineering. . . Where? I have been using Vista for about 4 months now, maybe 5, and it works great with my system. Why do people like you insist so fucking much that Vista is the worst thing to happen to the PC since ME? If you knew ANYTHING about OS’s and technology you’d see plain and simple that comparing the two is idiotic, and you call me ignorant.
False advertising? Are you serious? Show me a corporation’s advertising that hasn’t done that. Microsoft isn’t the only one to have ever done this. Apple, Best Buy, Sony, EVERYBODY has been accused of this. . .
Microsoft is already working on their new operating system to replace Vista. . . ya I know that. You are the same people I was talking about in my post. You honestly think that Villa (or whatever the codename for it is now) is going to be a wonder OS come to take all your fears and uncertainties about Vista away? Are you seriously that blind? It’s going to come out with plenty of bugs, not enough drivers, and people like you bitching all over again because instead of waiting a few months to a year after it gets released you are going to buy it on day one.
Do everybody a favor next time, wait a year before buying into the next OS. You’ll save yourself a lot of frustration and you’ll save the rest of us a lot of your whining.
Whining? LMAO
This whole article, including your childish rant, is the biggest crybaby display from a blogger I’ve seen in a long time. Wipe away the tears and let me explain. I was wrong. You aren’t ignorant… you must be 12 years old. And… btw… ignorant doesn’t mean stupid (foreigners and the uneducated often mixed them up and they get seriously hurt by it. Sometimes they get paranoid…).
The point… You’re still advocating crappy solutions and can’t even see this. It’s like a guy buying a brand new car whose motor explodes and defends the company that produces the car. Like a guy who buys a brand new TV set and is told by the company that he MUST replace it even though there isn’t a real benefit to doing so and the older TV works perfectly. Like the head of a company forced to replace 200 PCs, retrain his staff and go through serious downtime so that he can run Outlook again… which coincidentally needs to be bought again.
People who defend this are called sheeps. You have proven to be both ignorant and a sheep but not cheap and stupid. Understand? That is the best complement I can give you. Others could easily argue that I have my conclusion reversed…
Good luck with the new Vista… and the new Outlook… and the new Hardware… and the new OS that’s set to release within the next 2 years so you can do it all over again. Microsoft has found a real “winner” with you.
(On a serious note: I’m surprised you didn’t delete my post. Props on that)
I will not tolerate insults on my website.
You turned this from a debate into a mud throwing contest and I will not respond to it.
Feel free to repost if you wish to further this debate.
P.S. I find it hilarious that you call me a 12 year old, when you are the one throwing around insults. Anymore posts with insults will be deleted, and I’ll end this debate the old fashioned way.
The tone of the article set the tone of the comments. I’m surprised you weren’t prepared for this. Likewise, your response begat my response yet you keep calling me the aggressor.
I realize I will never convince you of the problems with Vista (and I don’t care) but you would also be disagreeing with the following people:
* Mike Nash, Microsoft VP who oversees Windows product management.
* Jon A. Shirley, Microsoft board member and former president and COO.
* Steven Sinofsky, the company’s senior VP responsible for Windows.
* Anantha Kancherla, a Microsoft program manager
* Robin Leonard, a Microsoft sales manager
and a ton of other insiders the current trial will uncover.
Source, NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/2kohbd
and finally, there’s Bill Gates (video, via Gizmodo): http://tinyurl.com/2amwna who essentially says that Vista sucks.
Your arguments and name-calling shouldn’t be directed at the world, it’s misplaced and a waste of time. It should be directed at Microsoft and its’ employees being *equally-critical* of Vista.
The reason I don’t write articles supporting Sony’s DRM on music CDs infecting computers is the same reason I don’t go around defending a company not giving me anything back for my hard earned money – except upgrade hell to run the same apps everyone is running now. My 21st century differs from yours, I guess.
Also, your wrong about the OSes. Windows 95/98 to XP was a giant leap (if you disregard Windows NT). The leap was the filesystem, the last vestiges of 16-bit DOS removed and the Kernel. XP to Vista is NOT a technological leap forward – it is a mid-level upgrade in preparation for the next OS release. Most people already know this. It’s like Windows ME (which deserved the spanking it got). Look it up.
You act as if I am praising Vista above all else. . . had you actually taken the time to clearly read my post you’d see that the entire post was about people constantly complaining about Vista when they bought it on LAUNCH day.
Come on man, if you truly know as much about technology as you say you do then you would know that you never buy a new OS on launch day. People did, they complained, and we are still hearing about it. I don’t care what the Microsoft execs say about it. I’m not defending the company but rather ranting about consumers who bought into Vista when it was released and then whine about it to everybody they know when there is very clear and very well documented evidence that with new technology (software, and hardware) there is always bugs.
I’ll admit that Vista might not be the best OS in the world, and it’s not as big a technological leap as I may have made it out to be, although I disagree on your 95/98 comparison. However, I can’t honestly look at my PC today (running Vista) and look at my friend’s PC when Vista launched and say that the OS hasn’t changed at all. Believe it or not but drivers were released, upgrades have occurred, and the system is generally better than when it launched.
So does that make me a cheerleader for Microsoft? No, that makes me honest. I don’t care for the corporation, and I have zero love for corporate shenanigans. In fact my most used PC runs Linux, and my Vista PC is relegated for video games and the odd jobs that Linux can’t handle.
I waited a year before getting Vista.
I did not choose it but had it rammed down my throat
when I had to replace my broken PC.
Vista blows. Everything I used the most often is gone,
and to poorly approximate them I have to click through at least twice, where before (XP) it took one click. This is too slow to use when you store and view hundreds of pics a day.
Examples:
The features I use most are WinExplorer, Filmstrip and the Up Arrow. I save and refer to many still pics, that is most of my computer use. The rest, also significant, is email (Eudora, still the best) and eBay. I need not to have to resize and scroll around, or open a new sub-app, like the Vista pic viewer.
I need to see the folder contents list and the preview (LARGE) at the same time, just like in XP WE’s Filmstrip.
They need to remember lean and mean, one-click, and screw eating the CPU’s cycles with pretty skins and (intendedly) overly functional, lo-res icons – which BTW in Vista don’t even work! They do NOT preview pics, no matter what I set.
More and more “functional” and “pretty” skins,
are not productive, and add nothing to my experience whatever except speed hits and annoyance.
I actually use my computer and am offended by them.
The locations of basic functions’ buttons (like the file dropdown) in an OS should never -EVER- change from version to version.
ie7 is also the worst! Every website is a different size, has to be scrolled, and is in general WAY too large at the smallest font setting, or way too small at the next smaller.
This was not true at all with ie6 and XP.
no, this is not whining.
NO, change is not improvement.
It is damaging to productivity, and a costly insult.
Rodney T. Hytonen (retired BSEE, IT)
u actually bit yourself in the ass as soon as you started talking. It IS the 21st century, and with soo many people in game development and participating in betas i DO expect all Major glitches to be taken care of. and with Microsoft being the head of technology as far as economics go. i DAMN WELL expect a great OS from them. not bugless. i expect some bugs. but with more than a year of bullshit. i say ur an idiot for still being a believer. i mean look at APPLE.
Well Jason…
You are either living in a dream world, or you clearly have no idea how technology works today. Not even the most popular games today escape major bugs and glitches. Super Smash Bros. Brawl, for example, suffers from terrible load times and quite often crippling slow downs and that was just a game, not an OS.
Now, I don’t particularly care about your love affair with Apple. They are there own company and they do things WAY different from Microsoft. Leopard might be the best OSX ever, but how can you honestly compare the two? Did you even compare the technological differences between XP>Vista and Tiger>Leopard? I get the feeling you did not. Windows systems and Mac systems are completely different from eachother and when you create an OS for 85% of the population, as opposed to 10%, you have a shit load more work to do.
Funny you should mention Apple though, as I have my own beef with them. I find it hilarious that so many people seem to have a love affair with Apple right now. What many people don’t realize is that when you buy a Mac you aren’t buying a utility but rather a style. Outside of the music and films industry there really is no reason for anybody, at this point, to own a Mac (despite me writing this on a MacBook right now).
I smell a consumer backlash coming with a few years.
Worst blog ever…
“Anybody who buys an OS and expects it to be as stable as the last iteration is an idiot.”
Get the fuk outta here. People with LIVES dont have time and energy to figure out when a newly released product by a multi-BILLION dollar company will function properly. It takes them years to release it, so why the hell shouldnt it work without major issues??
“Happiness is being content with what you get.” ::shrugs head::
Vista has a lot of good and a lot of bad. It’s not a blanket “bad thing”. I tried it on my 2003 P4 machine when it first came out and it was not usable. However, on my quadcore it’s a gem.
The biggest complaints I have are, frankly, mind boggling issues. Mind boggling in the sense that they simply should NOT be an issue.
Why, oh WHY, does Vista pollute my browser history with the folders I’ve recently viewed? The two activities are not related. I usually flip between 15 different web sites on a given day and they fall off the dropdown if I do anything in the file system. It’s an annoyance that bothers me no end.
And how, how HOW does the OS forget how to select multiple files? Sure, there’s a fix out there, but it’s not a part of the OS updates, and it’s a damn STUPID bug to still be there over a year later.
Other issues I can accept as OS teething pains, and for the most part I’m happy with Vista… but those two are combining to really make it feel clumsy.
I though Vista was OK until I had a serious problem. I had to buy a FAX application because Vista Home doesn’t have one and was all set up for a couple of months until it crashed. Vista security wouldn’t allow me to reinstall the application or delete the application or run any of the files inside the application folder. I tried everything I could think of, searched Help and the internet for many hours with no result, just became familiar with other poor bastards who have run afoul of Vista. I’m not an IT expert but I do have an electronic engineering degree and 30 years experience, retired with plenty of time and I have been at least familiar with computers since DOS days and If I (and the tech at the software application company) are completely stumped by this bag of crap God help the small business person who has a critical application fail. Vista Security is completely paranoid in allowing access to YOUR computer.
I think Microsoft has lost it or at least no longer cares about the individual consumer. They are a dinosaur like GM who don’t really have control over their products developed by giant interlocking committees any more.
i dont care WHAT you say.
Yes no one is supposed to expect the NEW OS to be as stable as the old one went out but give me a break
XP was in beta and test mode for only 1 year and 7 months
Vista on the other hand had been in BETA for users for 3 years but for 2 years before that, it was already in TEST mode.
So youre telling me youre ok with an OS that still isnt stable after more then 5 years of testing
meanwhile XP reached its stability ( mostly )
and it was only while XP reached its 4 year in the public?
Having been a computer network professional certified since 1978 I find your lame acceptance of mediocrity as evidence of America’s substandard educational system and parental negligence in instilling any sense of real values. One of Microsoft’s own self-evaluations pathetically touts Vista as being “sexy” -that is deviance.
I think the very real and entirely legitimate question to be asked is: What does Windows Vista offer that consumers- not engineers, not intellectual property holders, consumers- were actually asking for? I know most people weren’t looking for reduced security, or a hindering layer of DRM, or fewer clock cycles and system resources allocated to what the user was actually _choosing_ to do with their computer. And these problems all still persist, more than a year after Vista’s release. That Microsoft chose not to offer DirectX 10 for XP says more about their perception of a need for a carrot to offer with the new OS to go with all the sticks than anything about the technology itself.
There’s nothing stupid about consumers expecting the largest software company in the world to do enough focus testing to make their software do what they want to more or less _as_ well as the old one. Building on new technology is supposed to mean you move from screwdriver to electric drill, not in the opposite direction. Belittling them for expecting competence is forgetting that the market depends on people buying the software when it comes out- that _Microsoft_ depends on people buying the software when it comes out- and suggesting that this entirely necessary market segment should accept being treated like guinea pigs.
It’s naive, yes, to expect all software that ran on the previous OS to run on the new one- there’s simply no way that every title, or even every commercial title, could be tested. But it’s not at all so to expect your OS not to be bloated with things you never wanted and have no indication how to remove or turn off.
Windows isn’t a game; it’s software that millions of people depend on. It has a budget and staff that no entertainment software could remotely compare to. Not even apples to oranges, there; more like watermellons to cherries. If your software doesn’t do what it’s supposed to, don’t ship it… Or expect complaints.
not expect a stable release of an operating system??? microsoft (m$) got you bad, baby.
i can’t choose which specific files to backup. i can’t choose individual files within a backup to delete. i have gone from a granular, highly customisable backup model in Win 3.1 to this crap in Vista. so now i am using freebie software (www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp) to do what i already paid for. great.
and don’t get me started about defragging. i am presently defragging a 750Mb external hdd. it’s my backup device, so i don’t have it plugged in all the time. this means that it is inconvenient for me to put the defrag on a schedule. no problem, i can do it manually… except, of course, that there is no way to monitor the progress of process. cool. its just keeps running until it stops. how the heck is that an upgrade from xp, win2k+3, win2K, win98, win95 or win 3x?
why has everything done such a massive turn-around in networking? i knew just fine how to stick in an rs232 cable and get to the server/internet. now, i have to fart around with the dreadful network and sharing centre. for what?
the few useful enhancements in Vista are more than severally undone by crap like the foregoing. as someone said above, i don’t have to the time to learn stuff i don’t need to learn. i am a programmer, and i have to keep up with other crap m$ is putting out every other month. from vs2001 to 2005 to 2008; linq, wpf, wcf, mssql 2000, mssql 2005, mssql 2008… this is the stuff i have to keep up with to feed my family. and then i need this crap with Vista too?
well, i know what to do. i refuse to go anywhere near office2007. i finally get the picture and i am using OpenOffice2.4: its not as sweet as Office2003 to my eye, but I am getting used to it and i’m going to stick to it. so, i got Vista because i bought a dell xps m1330 a few months ago, and i didn’t have the option to get it with xp (i’d have had to pay more). no problem. guess who is going to buy a new laptop in a couple of years? me. guess what laptop i am going to buy? anything that gets me fully away from m$.
and yeah, i’ve already begun studying for non-m$ certification. big time.
I WANT MY XP BACK…..!! This Vista is the *&%#*, It gives me blank pages out of knowhere,downloads and installs without warnings, reboots as it feels like it,Freezes offten, could I sue to get my money back, or at least XP Back??
I have had it with the VISTA. It is slow and often goes into some think mode. It basically is frustrating and costs me money. In January of 09 I will convert my entire office to Apple. This is a major change but I just can’t tolerate sub standard performance. The cost to covert is high but productivity improvements will cover this over time. Microsoft just doesn’t get it!
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